tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post796875949388756925..comments2024-03-10T23:44:30.359-05:00Comments on Racine Post: Journal Times denies Racine police request for fire photosDustin http://www.blogger.com/profile/10717778498642473701noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-65552761015382575352010-02-04T14:54:57.855-06:002010-02-04T14:54:57.855-06:00Scooper - get a life.Scooper - get a life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-75919812093035579222010-02-04T10:53:19.217-06:002010-02-04T10:53:19.217-06:00SDJ
AMEN
Your down to earth comments are value...SDJ <br /><br />AMEN<br />Your down to earth comments are valued too- SDJ. <br /><br />Years ago I wrote a few opinions on the Journal- Times Blog and Rob would delete them. I was just pointing out why some things changed in Racine. But he didn't like it and pulled them. <br /><br />I knew how some of these things unfolded because I was there and in some cases part of the problem.<br /><br />Does anybody know the real reason or what the main contributing factor was that ended "Scooping the loop" in Downtown Racine in 1969? -- Well I do! and traffic was not the main issue! Scooping had gone on for years and it was a part of the social culture of Racine. But who cares? It's gone now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-25344376606752738312010-02-04T09:16:01.377-06:002010-02-04T09:16:01.377-06:00It does not include communism.It does not include communism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-25404738069807706812010-02-04T09:07:51.158-06:002010-02-04T09:07:51.158-06:00I don't believe in his political stance either...I don't believe in his political stance either but he does provide some wisdom and is non-combative when it comes to discussing his opposing viewpoints.<br />There is nothing wrong with healthy debate. Sometimes it brings out the best ideas. Face it, this is a multi-party nation.<br />SDJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-90252168724119092602010-02-04T08:55:42.905-06:002010-02-04T08:55:42.905-06:00That's the last thing we need is Randy's c...That's the last thing we need is Randy's commentary - we had enough of his communist postions when he wrote commentary for the JT's. He's living in the wrong country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-67809040033275491922010-02-04T08:35:03.133-06:002010-02-04T08:35:03.133-06:00Randolph
You have so much insight and wisdom abou...Randolph<br /><br />You have so much insight and wisdom about things related to Racine and a sensible outlook on life in general.<br /><br />Racine needs more of your input! <br /><br />Would you ever consider writing a <br />Perspective or opinion column here on the Racine Post -- if they let you?<br /><br />Just a thought. You have the feel of the real world and what's happening around Racine. Of course no one has all the answers. But we can't stick our head in a hole and let things just past by.<br /><br /><br />If your not interested in joining with Dustin and Pete I understand.<br /><br />But please be active on here Racine needs helpful new voices. <br /><br />Randolph, please consider it?<br /> WE NEED YOU!<br /><br />Also years ago Racine had a group of retired businessmen and civic leaders who acted like a brain trust -I think the groups name was "Junior Achievement". They helped and encouraged young future entrepreneurs. We need this again.<br /><br />My only interest here is I care about my home town and what I see lately frightens me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-14689714060732515592010-02-04T08:12:09.023-06:002010-02-04T08:12:09.023-06:0012:37 - Randy's a classy guy? He is a communis...12:37 - Randy's a classy guy? He is a communist, hardly classy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-3374647161987253802010-02-04T02:16:29.103-06:002010-02-04T02:16:29.103-06:00There's a natural "halo" effect to n...There's a natural "halo" effect to newspapers, in which they always seem to have been better in the past.<br /><br />In my experience, newspapers generally have gotten better over time, though these are particularly trying times for newspapers, so I can't be sure anymore.<br /><br />Still, it may just be people's selective memories at work when they think otherwise.<br /><br />But thanks anyway.Randolphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04788285200045165236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-91307444978053194112010-02-04T00:37:07.047-06:002010-02-04T00:37:07.047-06:00Good explanation Randolph, you are a classy guy an...Good explanation Randolph, you are a classy guy and the paper was better during your days on the job.<br /><br />There is something wrong with the JT that goes beyond this particular situation. Lovejoy's response was smarmy as usual. Perhaps if he processed a tenth of your eloquence it might not look so self-serving.<br /><br />Common sense should prevail and sometimes that requires some creativity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-21905702157028632952010-02-03T21:07:52.223-06:002010-02-03T21:07:52.223-06:00Very thorough explanation. Hopefully this help ot...Very thorough explanation. Hopefully this help others understand.<br />Thanks.<br /><br />SDJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-65893289308542724002010-02-03T20:56:53.148-06:002010-02-03T20:56:53.148-06:00Very good commentary Randolph!
I have to admit du...Very good commentary Randolph!<br /><br />I have to admit during your watch at the Racine Journal-Times it was a pretty upbeat paper. It seems your style trickled down through out your staff and you put out one hell of a positive paper.<br /><br />There is something wrong lately.<br />Personally I feel there is to much focus on crime.<br /><br />You had built a amazing team of reports and staff. Ya Did a great Job! ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-31419949551102353832010-02-03T20:17:48.041-06:002010-02-03T20:17:48.041-06:00Thus far, I’ve stayed out of any discussions regar...Thus far, I’ve stayed out of any discussions regarding The Journal Times, where I was editor for 10 years at the end of a 35-year career.<br /><br />I won’t second-guess the editor’s decision not to turn over to police photographs of fire because he’s in that hot seat now, not me, but I know it’s really tough.<br /><br />And while I appreciate Dustin’s earlier reference to my “elegant solution” to a similar situation, I can say it’s never easy striking a balance in the myriad of ethical decisions an editor must make every day.<br /><br />I know one thing: It’s very bad for a newspaper if people think you’re the cops or working for the cops.<br /><br />If nothing else, it makes it nearly impossible to present a balanced report of a later trial, with people still believing you’re giving both the prosecution and the defense a fair shake.<br /><br />Once your reporters or photographers are called as witnesses for the prosecution (to id a photo or testify about an interview) you have to jump through all sorts of hoops to arrange for independent, credible coverage of a continuing case or trial. This can be a tremendous burden on a small community newspaper with a small staff.<br /><br />As a reporter, I once had to give up a story that I’d worked on for more than a year because I got subpoenaed as a witness. It hurt, and it made a real challenge for the newspaper to decide how to proceed with the coverage.<br /><br />But that’s just one reason many if not most editors don’t automatically fork over outtake (unused) photos or reporters’ notes without a subpoena, and even then, many risk jail to resist.<br /><br />And as every editor knows, if people think you’re with the cops, you can easily put your staffers potentially in harm’s way on almost any given day.<br /><br />When I started in the businesses almost four decades ago, there was a pretty reliable tradition of the bad guys not hurting or killing reporters. A single episode of that in Arizona in the ‘70s drew down a huge, outraged response, within and outside the profession.<br /><br />You see, sometimes reporters have to talk to the bad guys to tell a whole story, and they can’t do that if people think they’re the cops.<br /><br />Does this make them bad citizens? No, it makes them good reporters.<br /><br />Many years ago, I was pulled out of harm’s way in a riot and protected when a gang leader recognized me as a reporter and told the others to leave me alone. It was because I’d interviewed him once and he knew I wasn’t a cop or working for the cops.<br /><br />Things have changed in more recent times. People are becoming more likely to believe that when they talk to a reporter or allow a photographer to take their picture, they could wind up in an adversarial position later in court.<br /><br />If newspaper people are viewed as potential witnesses or even as cops, they’re placed in real danger. Conversely, that’s why it’s against the law for any police officer or federal investigator to pose as a journalist, without the express permission of the U.S. attorney general.<br /><br />When that happens, it puts all professional journalists in danger.<br /><br />This danger is very real. At another paper, one of my photographers was beaten blind, his camera smashed, by a crowd who thought his taking pictures during a civil disturbance might later be used by police to help identify them.<br /><br />He was never able to work again.<br /><br />Editors can and do send their staff members into situations like that on any given day.<br /><br />As the editor, you’re not normally out there with them to share that risk. You’re back in the office, safe. When you have the responsibility of sending them out, it’s not your personal courage that’s being tested; it’s theirs, and you want to give them every edge you can.<br /><br />Doing all you can to make sure people don’t think the newspaper is working for the cops provides some small measure of safety.<br /><br />It serves society's purpose too, for it maintains the objective integrity of a newspaper.<br /><br />In each case as an editor, you try to do the right thing as clearly as you can see it, but it’s not always clear and it’s certainly never easy.Randolphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04788285200045165236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-14021881192390902302010-02-03T19:23:02.604-06:002010-02-03T19:23:02.604-06:00Anon 11:48, there is a huge difference between ask...Anon 11:48, there is a huge difference between asking for someone's personal financial account number and offering up a photograph of a crime scene. DUH!<br /><br />Subpoenas take time and cost money, while the perpetrators of the arson distance themselves even further away. This comes down to a matter of common sense and community. The idea of fearing retribution is a pretty poor excuse to deny possible evidence in an arson/murder investigation. If fear of retaliation was truly a concern, then no newspaper would dare print a picture on the front page of public enemies.<br /><br />If the JT isn't going to be public spirited enough to offer up evidence that could put an arsonist or a killer behind bars, then they don't need my support any longer, either.<br /><br />Anon 12:01, Pete and Dustin are about as left as you can get. Once in a while, on very seldom occasions, they do exercise a little bit of the gray matter and get it right. But it is pretty rare. As for Hunter John, he called it right, once again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-9554063963487445972010-02-03T18:16:29.785-06:002010-02-03T18:16:29.785-06:00Why do all the cops bow down to Hertzberg every t...Why do all the cops bow down to Hertzberg every time he shows up at something "interesting" to take photos?<br /><br />Maybe those cops should be disciplined for being leniant allowing Hertzberg/JT special favors?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-78375621327703867562010-02-03T16:30:44.392-06:002010-02-03T16:30:44.392-06:00Hey. I don't normally leave comments, but I ju...Hey. I don't normally leave comments, but I just wanted to say thanks for the great information. I have a blog too, though<br />I don't write as good as you do, but if you want to check it out here it is. Thanks again and have a great day!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.amazines.com/Gardening/article_detail.cfm/1313613?articleid=1313613" rel="nofollow">Gardening</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-82801912788992216232010-02-03T13:52:36.383-06:002010-02-03T13:52:36.383-06:00The journal times should be able to make a judgme...The journal times should be able to make a judgment call and share the photos.<br /><br />Our chief should be able to get a subpoena. If it is difficult than that is a problem. Using intimidation to violate the Constitution is what happens when people get lazy about these things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-21434450512858743352010-02-03T13:52:08.456-06:002010-02-03T13:52:08.456-06:00"Seems like the JT is developing a nasty litt..."Seems like the JT is developing a nasty little habit of not publishing certain letters sent to them." - You are not kidding! I sent them letters about corruption in the jails, guards using overtime like a game and sleeping in front of inmates! Not to mention favors to guards from inmates in hubor to hang out at home instead of working and coming back. Most of those people that work in that building are just as crooked as the ones behind bars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-78218127565930628382010-02-03T13:39:15.848-06:002010-02-03T13:39:15.848-06:00Seems like the JT is developing a nasty little hab...Seems like the JT is developing a nasty little habit of not publishing certain letters sent to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-27016552174613964812010-02-03T12:59:48.394-06:002010-02-03T12:59:48.394-06:0012:53 - read the article and the post - Dustin is ...12:53 - read the article and the post - Dustin is trying to trash SCJ. He does not like capitalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-2527087898701651862010-02-03T12:53:32.531-06:002010-02-03T12:53:32.531-06:00Dustin is absolutely correct, the JT wants it both...Dustin is absolutely correct, the JT wants it both ways and fails to do what serves the community the most: be fair, ask tough questions and use a little common sense. <br /><br />Hunter John got it right, this is a case by case circumstance. They have an opportunity to assist in the investigation and they will not. Maybe the Chief should start taking out ads and he'd see cooperation.<br /><br />The JT years under Pete and Dustin were some of the best.<br /><br />Since when is assisting the police department a lefty position? LOL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-43834643733504633392010-02-03T12:42:42.482-06:002010-02-03T12:42:42.482-06:00Hunter John brought up a very valid point, if they...Hunter John brought up a very valid point, if they were privately owned then it would be obstruction. Well if you google Mark Hertzbergs name and photos there are photos that he took that he has posted privately under his name and not representation of the JTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-43591034259497507792010-02-03T12:01:18.719-06:002010-02-03T12:01:18.719-06:00Didn’t know Dustin and Pete were lefty's) and ...Didn’t know Dustin and Pete were lefty's) and I’m a conservative) If anything I view the Urinal Times as a leftist piece of toilet paper. They are cowards and fail to tackle corruption and conspiracies in the community.<br /><br /><br />I for one have been pleased with Dustin and Pete's work with the Racine Post. KEEP IT UP , EH?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-24860629387128634902010-02-03T11:33:04.192-06:002010-02-03T11:33:04.192-06:00Dustin - that is a real stretch - the two stories ...Dustin - that is a real stretch - the two stories have nothing to do with one another - get back on subject and stop throwing your liberalism around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-45074517767626351762010-02-03T11:13:06.585-06:002010-02-03T11:13:06.585-06:00Opening Fortaleza...Property Tax Exemption...TWO d...Opening Fortaleza...Property Tax Exemption...TWO different topics hence two different stories.<br />As an example, are you going to complain to the JT for not mentioning where the steel pillars were made? Or where the wood came from...stay on topic.<br />Both are valid stories. Both deserve separate coverage.<br /><br />SDJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-57835523003952807842010-02-03T10:59:57.546-06:002010-02-03T10:59:57.546-06:0010:08 - Knucklehead, re-read the article.10:08 - Knucklehead, re-read the article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com