tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post1831733292966894311..comments2024-03-10T23:44:30.359-05:00Comments on Racine Post: And just who owns that $100,000 home?Dustin http://www.blogger.com/profile/10717778498642473701noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-37141024066499244502010-04-02T11:10:52.734-05:002010-04-02T11:10:52.734-05:00Any one who actually thinks spending per student i...Any one who actually thinks spending per student is in any way tied to student performance needs to stop drinking the Kool Aid. It takes good teachers and parents to educate a child. There are many examples of <br />"Taj Mahal" schools that did nothing to improve education. Let's deal with the out of control WEAC contract and then give our schools options to deal with out of control kids/parents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-76868497983540699092010-04-01T14:52:16.886-05:002010-04-01T14:52:16.886-05:00Kenosha does perform better than Racine Unified an...Kenosha does perform better than Racine Unified and does have a higher tax base. Another factor in success no one can quantify is the students constantly hearing negativity toward their education and school. This negativity is generally absent in Kenosha and prevalent here. The negativity gives the older students an "out" because the "school is bad anyway".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-7211675838152057212010-03-31T23:06:39.621-05:002010-03-31T23:06:39.621-05:00anon 3:09 - I will defer to your knowledge on Appl...anon 3:09 - I will defer to your knowledge on Appleton/Oshkosh.<br /><br />Pete - I read too many blogs and very quickly and misread your statement. I agree about the demographics, etc. for some of the communities (Janesville, Kenosha) - not necessarily Green Bay, though. Their minority community is much smaller, higher employment rates, etc.<br /><br />Again, though we have the inclusion of two rather small school districts. Oak Creek, which is actually Oak Creek/Franklin Joint is probably about 1/3 the size of Racine, and S. Milwaukee which is even smaller. Yes, I'm discussing size, but again the demographics, particularly in Oak Creek/Franklin don't line up with Racine's. <br /><br />IMHO, the only true comparison for both size and other demographics would be Kenosha, which only spends slightly more than Racine. But doesn't that school district's performance surpass Racine's by quite a bit?<br /><br />Not trying to make you into an apologist, Pete, just <i>very</i> skeptical of the RUSD referenda process based on past experience, but I suspect you already knew that ;^)Caledonia Unpluggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12084450097949740759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-91832735886872120352010-03-31T15:09:12.670-05:002010-03-31T15:09:12.670-05:00Actually Oshkosh and Appleton aren't similar. ...Actually Oshkosh and Appleton aren't similar. Both those cities districts basically cover the city and some lightly populated rural areas because those cities don't have the large villages around them. RUSD covers a population nearly twice as large as either Appleton and Oshkosh. Don't bother arguing I grew up there and know the area well. <br /><br />The work with the Deeds office is very useful because it shows the real cost we face and the deception of RUSD to try to shove this on us. <br /><br />It is sad the level elected officials and their staff's go to fool the taxpayer/voter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-13737977988015862032010-03-31T13:56:54.832-05:002010-03-31T13:56:54.832-05:00Where's Al Gore????Where's Al Gore????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-54340772373498492982010-03-31T11:43:24.100-05:002010-03-31T11:43:24.100-05:0011:26 - it's now Climate Change - they could n...11:26 - it's now Climate Change - they could not sell us on Global Warming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-88231848492362613502010-03-31T11:26:07.415-05:002010-03-31T11:26:07.415-05:00"it's a question of DEMOGRAPHICS, poverty..."it's a question of DEMOGRAPHICS, poverty, joblessness, English as a second language, union environment, etc."<br /><br />you forgot global warming -Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-37803164480851045882010-03-31T10:20:00.889-05:002010-03-31T10:20:00.889-05:00Green Bay and Kenosha are best districts for compa...Green Bay and Kenosha are best districts for comparison sake when considering size, minority populations, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-18599187439145823732010-03-31T10:01:25.581-05:002010-03-31T10:01:25.581-05:00Cal, what I said was "Now who's just talk...Cal, what I said was "Now who's just talking about numbers?"<br /><br />What I meant was that population NUMBERS don't tell the comparison story -- it's a question of DEMOGRAPHICS, poverty, joblessness, English as a second language, union environment, etc. But I suspect you already knew that.<br /><br />Still, don't try to make me into an apologist, 'cuz I ain't one.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17542901376907047448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-35826949706729559722010-03-31T08:11:55.038-05:002010-03-31T08:11:55.038-05:00Pete - absolutely - how long have you lived in Wis...Pete - absolutely - how long have you lived in Wisconsin? We're closer in size to Appleton and Oshkosh than the majority of cities on Unified chart.<br /><br /><br />Green Bay 102,000 <br />Kenosha 90,000 <br />Racine 80,000<br />Appleton 70,000<br />Oshkosh 62,000<br />Janesville 59,000<br />Oak Creek 28,000<br />S. Milwaukee 21,000<br /><br />Look at the numbers and you tell me. If a spending comparison is made to the two cities closest in population:<br /><br />Kenosha $11,544<br />Racine $11,096<br />Appleton $6,512 (2009 numbers, might have been less for 2008)<br /><br />Given Racine's school district extends outside the city's boundaries, but so do the other municipalities.<br /><br />Also given, Unified used SE Wisconsin - for the most part. But why the inclusion of Green Bay and not Appleton? Clearly Appleton is closer in size and location. Oh wait, I get it, Appleton spends much less and that wouldn't facilitate the purpose of their chart.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The chart has us compared wiCaledonia Unpluggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12084450097949740759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-44069076485706969412010-03-31T08:01:48.801-05:002010-03-31T08:01:48.801-05:007:16 - you are correct, but it is really more of a...7:16 - you are correct, but it is really more of a typing problem rather than spelling - but I'll accept the correction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-63647100997950129532010-03-30T22:29:46.918-05:002010-03-30T22:29:46.918-05:00Tim: Nope.Tim: Nope.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17542901376907047448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-20908329643537048952010-03-30T22:05:02.551-05:002010-03-30T22:05:02.551-05:00Cal, c'mon. Appleton and Oshkosh are "clo...Cal, c'mon. Appleton and Oshkosh are "close in population" to Racine? Now who's just talking about numbers?Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17542901376907047448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-53635678848726159272010-03-30T21:57:30.752-05:002010-03-30T21:57:30.752-05:00Pete - Do you have a file of all 44,000 assesed v...Pete - Do you have a file of all 44,000 assesed valuations?Tim the Shrubbernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-16133021474811889072010-03-30T21:32:02.494-05:002010-03-30T21:32:02.494-05:00Pete - no problem with the chart. Just trying to ...Pete - no problem with the chart. Just trying to make the point, maybe not too well, that the cost of an education doesn't always correlate with quality, so I don't think what we spend in relation to the rest of the state really is all that relevant.<br /><br />Although there certainly are other factors to consider, did a little further research and discovered that cities such as Oshkosh, Appleton (close in population to Racine) are spending about $6800 a year per student with an 87% graduation rate - go figure ;^)Caledonia Unpluggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12084450097949740759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-67836393829710103012010-03-30T21:08:42.167-05:002010-03-30T21:08:42.167-05:00Anon: You and Tim can work this out yourselves. I ...Anon: You and Tim can work this out yourselves. I have neither the data nor the inclination to calculate the median of 44,000 assessed valuations...<br /><br />By all means, let me know what you discover.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17542901376907047448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-22670938646052541982010-03-30T20:43:26.387-05:002010-03-30T20:43:26.387-05:00Pete-- Tim the Shrubber is right. Property value d...Pete-- Tim the Shrubber is right. Property value distributions usually have a long tail to the right (so do income distributions), which increases the mean, but has much less affect on the median. For such skewed distributions, the median is a much better single number summary of what the "typical" home is valued at.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-75702591224981802292010-03-30T19:43:13.576-05:002010-03-30T19:43:13.576-05:00Anonymous:
I believe 3:25pm would have gone to co...Anonymous:<br /><br />I believe 3:25pm would have gone to college. A collage is an art form. So much for your great spelling skills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-57351075072748115622010-03-30T19:18:55.731-05:002010-03-30T19:18:55.731-05:00Sorry, that would be 3:45pm! Oops, who am I to cri...Sorry, that would be 3:45pm! Oops, who am I to criticize if I can't even get the right time! LOL - my bad!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-79065632502784600952010-03-30T19:16:58.626-05:002010-03-30T19:16:58.626-05:00@3:25pm - Where exactly do you go to collage?
3:2...@3:25pm - Where exactly do you go to collage?<br /><br />3:25pm said "parents should be ashamed of themselves for putitng thier children through this" - Looks like you are speaking from experience based on the spelling errors! Not the spelling police here but if you are going to criticize at least get the spelling correct! <br /><br /><br />Just sayin!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-70862358287316966692010-03-30T17:24:51.065-05:002010-03-30T17:24:51.065-05:00Hey, Caledonia! Don't take it out on me, I don...Hey, Caledonia! Don't take it out on me, I don't know from nuthin' about Milwaukee.<br /><br />:-)<br /><br />(But these figures are 2008 -- so unaffected by whatever they spent in 2009)<br /><br />P.S. Thanks for the bar chart. Figured you wouldn't mind if we ran it, given your comment on the earlier story!Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17542901376907047448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-60486004901582578112010-03-30T16:54:05.546-05:002010-03-30T16:54:05.546-05:00Pete - yes, we do spend $798 less than the state a...Pete - yes, we do spend $798 less than the state average. Of course, you have to figure into the averaging, the fact that Milwaukee spent <a href="http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2010/03/08/the-heart-of-the-milwaukee-public-schools-problem-employee-costs/" rel="nofollow">$16,385 in school year 2009-2010</a>. Probably the highest cost/student in the state, yet they continue to have the poorest performing school district in the state.<br /><br />So really, does the amount spent correlate with performance?Caledonia Unpluggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12084450097949740759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-22375556353264987102010-03-30T16:27:18.582-05:002010-03-30T16:27:18.582-05:00If we took 10% increase on the property tax slice ...If we took 10% increase on the property tax slice and gave it to the bldgs we would go a long way toward improving the classroom. I don't think we would have many (if ANY) residents move, even with a 10% property tax increase. Even at 15%!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-49300643143723595042010-03-30T15:53:24.114-05:002010-03-30T15:53:24.114-05:00The size of the pie/student may be below the state...The size of the pie/student may be below the state avg. The pie is made up of many pieces.<br />If we took 10% of the wage/benefit slice and gave it to the bldgs we would go a long way toward improving the classroom. I don't think we would have many (if ANY) teachers quit, even with a 10% pkg reduction. Even at 15%!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5583157134881112619.post-14259476010633947032010-03-30T15:45:40.618-05:002010-03-30T15:45:40.618-05:00This ain't going to happen. What are these guy...This ain't going to happen. What are these guys smoking. We are in the worst economic times in recent history and we have the worst academic scores in the state. RUSD is a losing proposition - send your kids to a private school and avoid guns, gangs, knives, fights, cops required in the schools, high dropout rate, low percentage going to collage, dealing with the worlds worst element (unions), an incompetent School Board and Administration - parents should be ashamed of themselves for putitng thier children through thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com